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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #60 on: 16 August 2014, 00:38:42 »
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All setup and going along nicely.
Not much of a distance increase at all. Infact the Billion and N56U appear to be reaching further!!
I did move my monitor 90 degrees to do something earlier and that gave me an extra 10% signal. Strangely enough, When I close the living room door that increases signal strength too.

I'll play about with channels and whatever, Surely a cheap free router from an ISP can't deliver stronger wifi than an expensive award winning piece of kit??

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #61 on: 16 August 2014, 01:52:04 »
Hmmmmm strange I can't talk highly enough of mine the range is huge

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« Reply #62 on: 16 August 2014, 02:04:57 »
Hmmmmm strange I can't talk highly enough of mine the range is huge
It is strange. Plus I'm back to the on demand issue not working now. I think I'm going to re-sell all my Asus routers and keep the billion. Its more complicated to setup at first but it just works.
A real shame as I love Asus gear. I've had many items from them and always been impressed. The past few weeks though have just annoyed me. I'll give it a few days trouble shooting first.

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« Reply #63 on: 16 August 2014, 10:37:43 »
Toys are back in the pram now. The N66U can stay  lol:1

Changed the settings as per over the page, Setup sky box then done a full sky box reboot by putting into standby, Remove card and then remove power.  Leave it a few minutes then plug back in and allow to load. Once loaded, Insert card and leave a further few minutes. Switch on via remote and away you go.

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #64 on: 16 August 2014, 10:40:32 »
So is the wifi still not as good as the billion

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« Reply #65 on: 16 August 2014, 11:03:09 »
So is the wifi still not as good as the billion

It is slightly stronger over the whole lot. The N66U manages to put out the stronger signal.
I setup the Be Box in the current location and it struggled to hit 70% The billion manages around 72% and the Asus around 80%.

With the doors shut, The billion drops to around 60% where as the Asus increased to about 85% which was odd. This is all measured from the 2.4GHz channel.

For the 5GHz channel, It is greatly improved and I get 1 more bar on my phone but constant. The 5GHz channel would fluctuate between 1 bar and two where as now it remains solid on two and occasionally blips to 3.

Another odd thing was that when I propped the Asus up on its stand, The signal went from 80% down to around 45%.

All signal strengths were measured through PS3 and a Nexus 5.

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #66 on: 20 November 2014, 13:40:23 »
Some more combo boxes now out.

TP-Link W9980 (Uses the same chipset as ECI cabinets and virtually same sync as BT supplied modems) - 80

Billion 8800AXL

Looks like I will be keeping clear of the DSL-AC68U from Asus. Severe issues with that keeping sync rates and kicking DLM in.

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« Reply #67 on: 11 May 2015, 19:09:04 »
I recently moved from my two bedroom flat to a 4 bedroom house. I took the N66U with me and updated the firmware. I get full signal all through the house and some signal out into the garage and gardens.
I just purchased the DSL-AC68U after reading vast improvements on the firmware. We shall see how I get on with it in a few days...

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #68 on: 11 May 2015, 19:44:36 »
id be very interested how the 68 goes

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #69 on: 11 May 2015, 19:46:27 »
I'll update the thread once I've spent a bit of time with it and make sure it is stable.

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« Reply #70 on: 15 May 2015, 15:31:52 »
Ok, My unit has arrived, Newest firmware installed, Factory reset complete and setup. Only setting I changed was putting G.INP to on.

Initial stat changes I've noticed were:

Max attainable went up by 13Mb but is slowly dropping (Now around 82Mb from 89Mb after 3hrs).

SNR down on the HG612 remained stable around 7, On the ASUS it is fluctuating around 4.5-5dB

Line attenuation has gone from 17.3 down to 10.9dB.

Connection speed has gone from 74000 down to 70665, Upload remained the same.

Not sure if it is this firmware or not as there have been reports of issues with the latest 5007 firmware and speed drops.

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #71 on: 12 June 2015, 06:14:47 »
Ok, so I've had a play about with a few VDSL modem routers this time I was at home. I tested the Asus DSL-AC68U and the Netgear D6400.
These were all tested through my desktop computer  fitted with an Asus PCE-AC68 card which is located at the top of the stairs with router at the bottom but possibly the signals going through a wooden floor. I am on a G.INP'd Huawei cab also.

Firstly the Asus DSL-AC68U.

I noticed my SNR would fluctuate quite wildly with this device. between 4db and 6db. I left it untouched for my week of stats but I then tried to set a target SNR in the Asus GUI but this started making things unstable with around 2,500 CRC's in an hour. The WiFi was good giving full reception and constant throughput speeds all day every day to my desktop PC upstairs with the Asus PCE-AC card.
With just standard settings, The stats from the Asus after a week were as follows:

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lineState=up
Opmode=
SNRMarginDown=5.4 dB
AttenDown=10.9 dB
SNRMarginUp=9.6 dB
AttenUp=3.3 dB
DataRateDown=70665 kbps
DataRateUp=19999 kbps
WanListMode=1
FECDown=684681
FECUp=9599
CRCDown=265
CRCUp=0
HECDown=0
HECUp=0
ADSLUpTime=7 days, 23:05, 12 secs
ADSLActiveTime=0 min, 17 secs
PowerDown=13.7 dbm
PowerUp=6.9 dbm
ATURID=26005443434e0000
ATUCID=b5004244434da485
AttainUp=26923
AttainDown=85196
ShowtimeStart=17
TotalStart=34
ATURANSIRev=0
ATUCANSIRev=0
ATURANSIStd=0
ATUCANSIStd=0
InterleaveDepth=1
AdslStandard=VDSL2
AdslType=ANNEX_B
mtenStandard=G.dmt.bisplus (Annex L)


Now the Netgear D6400

I purchased this as a little test due to it being a broadcom chipset for the modem compared to the mediatek chip in the Asus.

The wireless range was actually better than the Asus but the throughput at these ranges was rather disappointing. Testing again from my desktop with the Asus PCE card, I was rather unimpressed with the speed results.
I would either get half my throughput speed on either the download or the upload. Never full on both or never half on both just one or the other. I've seen another thread on Overclockers forum with someone with the same issue. I would also see slight issues streaming videos on sites such as youtube where it appears the video is in a low frame rate. Playing call of duty on the PS3 would also be laggy I guess as playing away it would very slightly freeze then everything speed up so everyone was super speed then return to normal.

The modem side was solid and had no fluctuations. Here is some stats for around 8 days of uptime. All taken from DSL stats but don't ask me what half of it means  lol:1

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adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26040 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80441 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        7.5             9.7
Attn(dB):        17.5            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.6            7.5

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              -6
B:              174             97
M:              1               1
T:              0               0
R:              8               8
S:              0.0752          0.1554
L:              19456           5457
D:              16              8
I:              183             106
N:              183             106
Q:              16              8
V:              3               2
RxQueue:                42              39
TxQueue:                14              13
G.INP Framing:          18              18
G.INP lookback:         14              13
RRC bits:               24              24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           154             58
B:              0               0
M:              2               2
T:              2               2
R:              16              16
S:              6.4000          16.0000
L:              40              16
D:              3               1
I:              32              32
N:              32              32
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               0
OHFErr:         2               13
RS:             2515510368              2428593
RSCorr:         554115          61355
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            43355392                533362
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             433553307               2301221
RSCorr:         2129            299
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         388043          5110
rtx_c:          19178           17972
rtx_uc:         2               73044

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         456             84
minEFTR:        74006           19997
errFreeBits:    785859680               1521542996

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    317187817               0
Data Cells:     325251717               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            31              31
AS:             696400

                        Bearer 0
INP:            49.00           47.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            0.00
OR:             0.01            0.01
AgR:            74132.27        20102.08

                        Bearer 1
INP:            4.50            4.00
INPRein:        4.50            4.00
delay:          3               0
PER:            16.06           16.06
OR:             79.68           31.87
AgR:            79.68   31.87

Bitswap:        85324/85329             9058/9063

Total time = 8 days 1 hours 27 min 11 sec
FEC:            554115          61355
CRC:            2               13
ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            31              31
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 11 sec
FEC:            65              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            84              16
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 1 hours 27 min 11 sec
FEC:            1515            92
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            62119           2103
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 8 days 1 hours 26 min 39 sec
FEC:            554115          61355
CRC:            2               13
ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
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So there you have it, as I thought the Netgear would be more stable on the line being broadcom giving around 130 times LESS CRC errors over a longer period and also reducing the FEC errors over the same period by approx 100,000.

Due to the wireless performance being a bit poor, Netgears GUI being rather dated with lack of VDSL stats and also the Netgears VPN function not directly supporting Android and iOS, It was returned.

As the Asus can't be trusted either, I am using it through the WAN port with a HG612 connected as I needed stability for the missus whilst I'm away.

Next time home, I'm tempted to try the Fritzbox 3490 which has the same lantiq chip as the ECI modem but apparently G.INP is working on it. There is also a Thomson TG799VAC which is due out soon. I can update the thread if anyone is interested in any of this.

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Re: VDSL Modem Routers
« Reply #72 on: 12 June 2015, 12:20:58 »
thanks for the update

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« Reply #73 on: 12 June 2015, 13:05:41 »
Yes I'm interested in it thanks mate

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« Reply #74 on: 12 June 2015, 13:32:27 »
No problem. One thing I remembered this evening, I didn't try the new setting on the Asus which was the sudden noise protection. So I'll do a weeks test with that enabled.

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« Reply #75 on: 16 June 2015, 23:59:07 »
OK, I think this will be the next one I will be trying. Can't find the Fritzbox I wanted anymore and the others look a bit pants if I'm honest.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150615005001/en/NETGEAR-Launches-Nighthawk-AC1900-WiFi-VDSLADSL-Modem#.VYCowflVhBd

It is another Netgear but it is the Nighthawk router with an inbuilt VDSL modem. Rumoured to be a broadcom chipset. This should be an outstanding device!

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« Reply #76 on: 17 June 2015, 00:24:37 »
Hmmmm can't seem to find them now but when I bought that linksys wrt1900ac the other day I was comparing all the reviews and I remember the netgear wasn't as good as some of the other ac routers. BUT saying that they reckon the linksys had the best range and what a load of rubbish that was my Asus is much better

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« Reply #77 on: 17 June 2015, 00:58:19 »
Strange that as one of the reviews I just read said the nighthawk broke records compared to the Linksys and Asus equivalent. I guess it all depends on the test circumstances each reviewer puts the devices through. I was happy enough with the D6400 and probably would have kept it if the throughput equalled the Asus. If this one does or comes very close, It will be kept.

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« Reply #78 on: 24 July 2015, 17:56:20 »
So what did u get mate

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« Reply #79 on: 24 July 2015, 18:13:44 »
Well I have been playing around with the Asus and its ESNP settings. I lost around 8Mb Sync and only managed to get some back by setting the Rx adjustment to high performance. This however created more errors.

So.... I bought a Netgear D7000.

I've already gained back my speed lost through the Asus DSL-AC68U. It had my line profile slowly edging down since the beginning of the month 74Mb to 68Mb to 67Mb now 66Mb. The SNR on the Asus was all over the place and that was with all the ESNP settings on along side the firmware apparently optimised for broadcom exchanges.

Instantly back up to my 74Mb profile with the Netgear, pings have dropped but only by a ms or two and the SNR is solid again.

I've been carrying out various speed tests as this is where the D6400 let me down. I'm pretty pleased with this now as even out in my garage (Out the house and down the drive I'm getting full speeds on AC WiFi. 69.7Mb Down and 16.1Mb up comapred to Asus 25Mb down and 18Mb up.

Not sure if something is amiss with the upload attainable as I seemed to have lost a chunk. Not sure if this is down to G.INP being removed from the Upload side or not. I'll maybe try a reboot tomorrow.

So far so good and looks like I'll be selling the Asus. It really does not like my line. I loved the GUI of the Asus though.

 

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