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Title: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 15:53:56
Hey all, Is there much available for a router modem combo for VDSL at the moment?
I'm looking to get rid of my Billion 7800DX and separate modem.

I've heard the Draytek Vigor 2860n has a VDSL capable modem. Any others?
I quite like the Asus stuff so if they had one I would consider one also.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 05 July 2014, 15:58:09
I don't have a combined one I have the asus rt n66u and it's a beast of a router
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 16:00:34
I don't have a combined one I have the asus rt n66u and it's a beast of a router

I would quite like a combined one. I have heard the Asus wifi capabilities are brilliant though. I really like their interface too so that is why I am hoping they do a combined one :-) I read someone mentioning the RT-AC66U so I'll have a read up on it.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 05 July 2014, 16:15:09
Don't think that's combined that just has the ac wireless network which isn't alot of good if your devices don't support it. There is another asus which is combined but can't remember what one I'll try and find it
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 16:21:12
Don't think that's combined that just has the ac wireless network which isn't alot of good if your devices don't support it. There is another asus which is combined but can't remember what one I'll try and find it

Thanks Thomas. That would be great  :D
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 05 July 2014, 16:28:35
There is this one but not sure if it's out yet

http://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLAC68U/ (http://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLAC68U/)
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 16:37:33
There is this one but not sure if it's out yet

http://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLAC68U/ (http://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLAC68U/)

Interesting. I'll keep an eye on that one. Its showing as Currys selling it when I done a quick google search. Roughly 150. I've heard of people losing sync speed with aftermarket modem routers. I'll have to do my research on which would be best.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 16:46:58
I found a little list on a Plusnet thread.

Draytek 2760n 2860
Fritzbox 7390  7490
Asus  DSL-N66U
Asus DSL-AC68U 
Cisco 887VA ISR
HH3
HH5
Billion 8200
Technicolor  TG589
TechnicolorTG672
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 05 July 2014, 20:20:10
I would go for either the asus or fritzbox but like you said the wifi on the asus is fantastic
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 05 July 2014, 21:50:17
I would go for either the asus or fritzbox but like you said the wifi on the asus is fantastic

I'm liking the look of the Asus to be honest.
Another question, Remember it was recommended to try and get the same chipset as what was serving you at the exchange such as Broadcom. Does the same apply for fibre? Is there any way I can find out what equipment i'm on at the exchange?
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Roco on 06 July 2014, 22:25:24

I am on BT fibre , never found a simple way to get  line stats without hacking
the firmware , but as I get very close to my 40 x10 package I am not too bothered ,
but from memory a cheap modem router that was tuneable was the Acatel 585 v5
fully cooperative with dmt tool and line stats could be adjusted for time of the day , as I then lived very close to London Heathrow airport with all it's night time radar interference , I took the easy way  ?  and moved house 29 miles out ,
but I still miss the bell wire trick and the battle for speed , it absorbed many of my hours back then , now filled in with junk IMHO,
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: steve195527 on 07 July 2014, 03:45:43

I am on BT fibre , never found a simple way to get  line stats without hacking
the firmware , but as I get very close to my 40 x10 package I am not too bothered ,
but from memory a cheap modem router that was tuneable was the Acatel 585 v5
fully cooperative with dmt tool and line stats could be adjusted for time of the day , as I then lived very close to London Heathrow airport with all it's night time radar interference , I took the easy way  ?  and moved house 29 miles out ,
but I still miss the bell wire trick and the battle for speed , it absorbed many of my hours back then , now filled in with junk IMHO,
hh5 gives you the line stats without hacking
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 07 July 2014, 07:59:11
I nearly bought the Asus over the weekend until it was pointed out to me that it was the RT-AC68U and not the DSL-AC68U. The DSL version isn't out until the end of the month.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: steve195527 on 07 July 2014, 17:37:06
I nearly bought the Asus over the weekend until it was pointed out to me that it was the RT-AC68U and not the DSL-AC68U. The DSL version isn't out until the end of the month.
0ne thing to consider is that the BT HH5 is designed to work perfectly with the equipment in the cabinets,both are made by the same company for BT,its the same company that makes the separate modem that all the  companies used to supply for the fibre service,was told by one of the engineers it causes less issues than other combined router/modems on their service
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 07 July 2014, 20:11:04
0ne thing to consider is that the BT HH5 is designed to work perfectly with the equipment in the cabinets,both are made by the same company for BT,its the same company that makes the separate modem that all the  companies used to supply for the fibre service,was told by one of the engineers it causes less issues than other combined router/modems on their service

That is very true. I may just stick with what I have until something comes up that is both perfectly suited and a combo (Hopefully lower in price too!!)
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: steve195527 on 07 July 2014, 20:18:43
0ne thing to consider is that the BT HH5 is designed to work perfectly with the equipment in the cabinets,both are made by the same company for BT,its the same company that makes the separate modem that all the  companies used to supply for the fibre service,was told by one of the engineers it causes less issues than other combined router/modems on their service

That is very true. I may just stick with what I have until something comes up that is both perfectly suited and a combo (Hopefully lower in price too!!)
HH5's go pretty cheap on ebay,new ones folk don't want or need
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 07 July 2014, 20:27:16
Looks like I have the ECI one which seems OK so far.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Roco on 08 July 2014, 00:06:28

I am on BT fibre , never found a simple way to get  line stats without hacking
the firmware , but as I get very close to my 40 x10 package I am not too bothered ,
but from memory a cheap modem router that was tuneable was the Acatel 585 v5
fully cooperative with dmt tool and line stats could be adjusted for time of the day , as I then lived very close to London Heathrow airport with all it's night time radar interference , I took the easy way  ?  and moved house 29 miles out ,
but I still miss the bell wire trick and the battle for speed , it absorbed many of my hours back then , now filled in with junk IMHO,
hh5 gives you the line stats without hacking
Tell me more Steve ,  although I have no complaints with speed,
I would love to have the stats in case of future problems ,
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: steve195527 on 08 July 2014, 15:07:12
log on to hub,just click on troubleshooting tab and then helpdesk tab,list of your stats then displayed
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Roco on 08 July 2014, 21:10:38
log on to hub,just click on troubleshooting tab and then helpdesk tab,list of your stats then displayed
thanks Steve , haven't tried it yet , but hope to have time after next week ,
I will do a before and after my phone line alteration .

just a quick question on the phone line  to my fascia board , it terminates
close by on the sofit  board into a small grey junction box ? , then from there
it runs loosely stapled in a flat twin around the house 50ft to the kitchen and the HH5, at the moment I am using TP-Link mains adapters back to my computer/hobby room which is only 10 ft from the line junction box ,
so there are going to be changes   ;)
much to my surprise I get 38.7 X 9 on my 40 X10 plan , so not expecting a speed increase , but just need to tidy up the outside of the house , and do away with mains adapters ,
BTW can't comment on the HH5 wireless ability ,  I have it disabled in the hub ,
as I have no need for it normally, and being a copper wire all the way type of guy  ,
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: steve195527 on 08 July 2014, 21:37:20
log on to hub,just click on troubleshooting tab and then helpdesk tab,list of your stats then displayed
thanks Steve , haven't tried it yet , but hope to have time after next week ,
I will do a before and after my phone line alteration .

just a quick question on the phone line  to my fascia board , it terminates
close by on the sofit  board into a small grey junction box ? , then from there
it runs loosely stapled in a flat twin around the house 50ft to the kitchen and the HH5, at the moment I am using TP-Link mains adapters back to my computer/hobby room which is only 10 ft from the line junction box ,
so there are going to be changes   ;)
much to my surprise I get 38.7 X 9 on my 40 X10 plan , so not expecting a speed increase , but just need to tidy up the outside of the house , and do away with mains adapters ,
BTW can't comment on the HH5 wireless ability ,  I have it disabled in the hub ,
as I have no need for it normally, and being a copper wire all the way type of guy  ,
that wiring sounds a bit messy,could be you description or my interpretation of it though,I'd go wireless just to tidy it up,the HH5 has very good wireless
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Roco on 08 July 2014, 23:46:42
I think you got the gist , it's a mess  ,
I don't do wireless  in case it affects my procreation ability  :o
and alongside my tin foil hat , metal lined underpants would be uncomfortable , :D
BTW I got a friend that can hear space noise , put her in a metal (lead lined room and it stops ) ,
apparently after tests its caused by the earth's rotation , indeed  the world as we know it is a curious place ,
including the Tech forum.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 20 July 2014, 19:59:48
I think I'll defo be changing away from the Billion soon. The WiFi isn't as strong on them as I thought they would be. Tempted to go with an Asus still as reviews seem to point out the WiFi range on them is excellent.

When I was using the BeBox I could get full reception everywhere in my property. As soon as I walk into the hall and into the living room I drop 2-3 bars of signal with the Billion. I wonder how much I would get for it if I sold it on.

Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 20 July 2014, 21:34:48
Have a look on ebay mate see how much they are going for.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: snadge on 20 July 2014, 21:40:01
sorry but i would want a single router combo that dsl stats works (typically broadcom chipset I think)


too many devices and power draw with two..

@ Michty_Me - with wifi, if someone gets in the way of your signal it will changed in strength...happens to everyone, but what your describing are simple black spots where the signal is weak
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: thar on 20 July 2014, 22:01:07
I won mine for 36 plus postage. It had never been used, i was quite chuffed.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 20 July 2014, 23:31:47
sorry but i would want a single router combo that dsl stats works (typically broadcom chipset I think)


too many devices and power draw with two..

@ Michty_Me - with wifi, if someone gets in the way of your signal it will changed in strength...happens to everyone, but what your describing are simple black spots where the signal is weak

I'll wait to see if this new Asus DSL-AC68U is any good on fibre and go with that.
As for the billion I'm currently using it seems to be consistently worse than the BEbox.

As an example, My BeBox spent its days in a cupboard and I could pick up its signal outside the back of my local pub and in the flat car park. I'm on a second floor flat.

The billion is setup in a room with a straight line vision to my PS3 basically and it only sees 65% signal at roughly 5 metres. It certainly doesnt have the range of the BeBox. Maybe that will improve with future firmware updates. I've noticed quite a few people on the Billion forums mention about poor range on the wifi.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 01 August 2014, 09:46:44
A little update, I was getting hacked off with the Billion so I managed to bag a Asus N56U router with a Huwaei HG612 modem for 55. This will tide me by hopefully until I make a decision on the single modem/router combo or to be more specific, Wait for the DSL-AC68U to make an appearance.
I should have maybe gone for the AC56U but what the heck. I don't have any AC equipment.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 09 August 2014, 21:28:58
Does anyone know where the option is on the ASUS router for multiplexing method. I think I need to change it to LLC-Based for the Sky box to play OnDemand crap.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: snadge on 10 August 2014, 09:58:57
u got fibre?  I dunno what multiplexing (if any) fttc uses and you can not change from one too the other... it will be in the modem ...

if  you do need to change it them tom is the person too ask as he has an asus

the skybox should be able to connect directly and play?
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 10 August 2014, 11:04:52
There are no setting for that as you are on fibre
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 10 August 2014, 11:50:48
Hmm odd. I'll need to double check on the billion then. I'm certain it was working when I was using that with the BT modem. Just noticed yesterday it said internet ok , connection to on demand failed.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 10 August 2014, 12:53:07
Ok just swapped back to the Billion 7800DX and OnDemand works fine now. Must be a setting on the Asus somewhere.

Pity as I really liked the Asus.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 10 August 2014, 13:31:51
Hmmmmmmm works on mine
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 10 August 2014, 13:48:10
Hmmmmmmm works on mine

Very odd then. I'll need to re-connect it up and play about with settings in the router. I've done some google searching and there are loads of people having problems using On Demand and the BT equivalent with third party routers. Asus being one of them.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 10 August 2014, 13:55:00
Does it make any difference if you put merlin firmware on it
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 10 August 2014, 14:11:25
Does it make any difference if you put merlin firmware on it

There isn't a Merlin firmware for the N56U that I can see.
I've seen people mention Padavan for for N56U but I have no idea which one is which.

Which one would it be? There are 4 types?

Aria
Base
DLNLA
TRMD

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0clSzFg6jb9bVRTRnpNblhDclE&usp=sharing&tid=0B0clSzFg6jb9ejVLX0cyR0ZpMWs#list
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 August 2014, 12:45:25
Ok I found some info with people having issues with Asus routers and BT Vision. Work around is as follows:

'Select ISP Profile' = None
'Choose IPTV STB Port' = None
'Use DHCP routes' = Microsoft
'Enable multicast routing (IGMP Proxy) = Enable
'Enable efficient multicast forwarding (IGMP Snooping) = Enable
'UDB Proxy (Udpxy) = 0

It still didn't work with these settings. The key to getting it to work for me was to change a setting under WAN. I changed 'Enable VPN + DHCP Connection' to 'No'.

Also just managed to bag a new RT-N66U for 85 delivered. I'll sell on the Asus N56U.

Is the latest merlin firmware 376.44?
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 11 August 2014, 22:09:11
Nice one mate I'd be interested what you think of the wifi I think it's a beast of a router

I'm not sure what the latest merlin firmware is I'm back on the standard asus firmware
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 August 2014, 22:24:52
Nice one mate I'd be interested what you think of the wifi I think it's a beast of a router

I'm not sure what the latest merlin firmware is I'm back on the standard asus firmware

Yeah lll report back once I'm setup and going.
Ill just stick on the latest Asus firmware once arrived then. Test with that first and go from there.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 11 August 2014, 22:38:53
Yea I had a problem with the 2.4ghz network with merlin it kept dropping so I went back to asus and it's fine but that was a while ago. All I use is 5.0ghz network on my phone and laptop and it works brilliant (obviously your devices have to be 5.0ghz enabled)
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 August 2014, 22:50:53
Yea I had a problem with the 2.4ghz network with merlin it kept dropping so I went back to asus and it's fine but that was a while ago. All I use is 5.0ghz network on my phone and laptop and it works brilliant (obviously your devices have to be 5.0ghz enabled)

I'm currently using the 5GHz channel for phones, Tablets and Sky box. However I did notice that my Asus 56U 5GHz channel is just slightly weaker than the Billion 2.4GHz channel. I'll do some back to back real world testing testing with all 3 once it arrives.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 11 August 2014, 23:07:44
Yea the 5 network they say is only good if you are close to the router but I use it all over the house with full bars
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 August 2014, 23:16:22
Yea the 5 network they say is only good if you are close to the router but I use it all over the house with full bars

Well if you can use that all over your house then hopefully it will cover my flat. The n56u 5ghz is down to 1 bar on my phone just going through two plasterboard walls.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 12 August 2014, 00:03:34
On iphone upstairs in bedroom above where router is and full bars I get that all over the house
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 12 August 2014, 07:36:26
On iphone upstairs in bedroom above where router is and full bars I get that all over the house

Sounds good that! It's meant to arrive by the end of the week so will setup and test over the weekend.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: snadge on 12 August 2014, 12:09:38
5Ghz is always weaker than 2.4Ghz as it uses higher frequencies which attenuate more (are weaker) so you get less range...but..higher frequencies can carry data faster hence the higher throughput in-home network speed tests on various websites
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 12 August 2014, 12:20:11
Yes exactly but for me it's brilliant all over
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 12 August 2014, 12:29:04
Yes exactly but for me it's brilliant all over

Hopefully it does the trick for me too. I must admit, The GUI for the Asus items is spot on. Everything is so easy to find.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 12 August 2014, 12:45:18
Yes it is
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 13 August 2014, 11:16:09
Typical, As I just ordered the N66U, Places have started pre-ordering the DSL-AC68U. I'll give it time to come down in price as its 199.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 13 August 2014, 12:12:40
Yea and also remember if you don't have any ac wireless devices no point anyway the asus you are getting should be fine for you
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 13 August 2014, 12:21:43
Yea and also remember if you don't have any ac wireless devices no point anyway the asus you are getting should be fine for you

Let the bugs get ironed out etc. Turns out my phone is AC but no way am I upgrading for that. I'll be happy with my current setup. Just wish it would arrive so I can get tinkering.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 13 August 2014, 12:45:08
What phone have you got
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 13 August 2014, 12:51:10
What phone have you got

Nexus 5. Will probably go for the new one when it is eventually out too.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 15 August 2014, 19:47:13
Ok . I got the router this afternoon and having some problems.
I connected it all up and it worked straight out the box. Literally! I never setup sod all and it was working. I couldn't log in to it either using the default login and password. So done a recovery mode thing following all the instruction. It uploads the firmware then says system recovery in progress. Once this gets to 100% it just shows failed to connect to the wireless router.
I've checked instructions and watched YouTube videos and everything is being done exactly as instructed but always gets to this point and that's it. Help!!!
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 15 August 2014, 22:12:46
Edit: all sorted.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 15 August 2014, 22:46:45
Sorry only just got in so what did you do to sort it
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 15 August 2014, 23:11:10
Sorry only just got in so what did you do to sort it

I just done the process again for about the 5th time and went out for a few hours. By the time I got back it kicked itself into life but kept shoeing failed to communicate. Then with it powered up I held the reset button for approx 10 seconds until the LEDs flashed. Strange but at least its working. Just need to put it in place now and put my details in.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 15 August 2014, 23:54:42
Good good
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 16 August 2014, 00:38:42
All setup and going along nicely.
Not much of a distance increase at all. Infact the Billion and N56U appear to be reaching further!!
I did move my monitor 90 degrees to do something earlier and that gave me an extra 10% signal. Strangely enough, When I close the living room door that increases signal strength too.

I'll play about with channels and whatever, Surely a cheap free router from an ISP can't deliver stronger wifi than an expensive award winning piece of kit??
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 16 August 2014, 01:52:04
Hmmmmm strange I can't talk highly enough of mine the range is huge
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 16 August 2014, 02:04:57
Hmmmmm strange I can't talk highly enough of mine the range is huge
It is strange. Plus I'm back to the on demand issue not working now. I think I'm going to re-sell all my Asus routers and keep the billion. Its more complicated to setup at first but it just works.
A real shame as I love Asus gear. I've had many items from them and always been impressed. The past few weeks though have just annoyed me. I'll give it a few days trouble shooting first.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 16 August 2014, 10:37:43
Toys are back in the pram now. The N66U can stay  lol:1

Changed the settings as per over the page, Setup sky box then done a full sky box reboot by putting into standby, Remove card and then remove power.  Leave it a few minutes then plug back in and allow to load. Once loaded, Insert card and leave a further few minutes. Switch on via remote and away you go.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 16 August 2014, 10:40:32
So is the wifi still not as good as the billion
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 16 August 2014, 11:03:09
So is the wifi still not as good as the billion

It is slightly stronger over the whole lot. The N66U manages to put out the stronger signal.
I setup the Be Box in the current location and it struggled to hit 70% The billion manages around 72% and the Asus around 80%.

With the doors shut, The billion drops to around 60% where as the Asus increased to about 85% which was odd. This is all measured from the 2.4GHz channel.

For the 5GHz channel, It is greatly improved and I get 1 more bar on my phone but constant. The 5GHz channel would fluctuate between 1 bar and two where as now it remains solid on two and occasionally blips to 3.

Another odd thing was that when I propped the Asus up on its stand, The signal went from 80% down to around 45%.

All signal strengths were measured through PS3 and a Nexus 5.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 20 November 2014, 13:40:23
Some more combo boxes now out.

TP-Link W9980 (Uses the same chipset as ECI cabinets and virtually same sync as BT supplied modems) - 80

Billion 8800AXL

Looks like I will be keeping clear of the DSL-AC68U from Asus. Severe issues with that keeping sync rates and kicking DLM in.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 May 2015, 19:09:04
I recently moved from my two bedroom flat to a 4 bedroom house. I took the N66U with me and updated the firmware. I get full signal all through the house and some signal out into the garage and gardens.
I just purchased the DSL-AC68U after reading vast improvements on the firmware. We shall see how I get on with it in a few days...
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 11 May 2015, 19:44:36
id be very interested how the 68 goes
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 11 May 2015, 19:46:27
I'll update the thread once I've spent a bit of time with it and make sure it is stable.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 15 May 2015, 15:31:52
Ok, My unit has arrived, Newest firmware installed, Factory reset complete and setup. Only setting I changed was putting G.INP to on.

Initial stat changes I've noticed were:

Max attainable went up by 13Mb but is slowly dropping (Now around 82Mb from 89Mb after 3hrs).

SNR down on the HG612 remained stable around 7, On the ASUS it is fluctuating around 4.5-5dB

Line attenuation has gone from 17.3 down to 10.9dB.

Connection speed has gone from 74000 down to 70665, Upload remained the same.

Not sure if it is this firmware or not as there have been reports of issues with the latest 5007 firmware and speed drops.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 12 June 2015, 06:14:47
Ok, so I've had a play about with a few VDSL modem routers this time I was at home. I tested the Asus DSL-AC68U and the Netgear D6400.
These were all tested through my desktop computer  fitted with an Asus PCE-AC68 card which is located at the top of the stairs with router at the bottom but possibly the signals going through a wooden floor. I am on a G.INP'd Huawei cab also.

Firstly the Asus DSL-AC68U.

I noticed my SNR would fluctuate quite wildly with this device. between 4db and 6db. I left it untouched for my week of stats but I then tried to set a target SNR in the Asus GUI but this started making things unstable with around 2,500 CRC's in an hour. The WiFi was good giving full reception and constant throughput speeds all day every day to my desktop PC upstairs with the Asus PCE-AC card.
With just standard settings, The stats from the Asus after a week were as follows:

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lineState=up
Opmode=
SNRMarginDown=5.4 dB
AttenDown=10.9 dB
SNRMarginUp=9.6 dB
AttenUp=3.3 dB
DataRateDown=70665 kbps
DataRateUp=19999 kbps
WanListMode=1
FECDown=684681
FECUp=9599
CRCDown=265
CRCUp=0
HECDown=0
HECUp=0
ADSLUpTime=7 days, 23:05, 12 secs
ADSLActiveTime=0 min, 17 secs
PowerDown=13.7 dbm
PowerUp=6.9 dbm
ATURID=26005443434e0000
ATUCID=b5004244434da485
AttainUp=26923
AttainDown=85196
ShowtimeStart=17
TotalStart=34
ATURANSIRev=0
ATUCANSIRev=0
ATURANSIStd=0
ATUCANSIStd=0
InterleaveDepth=1
AdslStandard=VDSL2
AdslType=ANNEX_B
mtenStandard=G.dmt.bisplus (Annex L)


Now the Netgear D6400

I purchased this as a little test due to it being a broadcom chipset for the modem compared to the mediatek chip in the Asus.

The wireless range was actually better than the Asus but the throughput at these ranges was rather disappointing. Testing again from my desktop with the Asus PCE card, I was rather unimpressed with the speed results.
I would either get half my throughput speed on either the download or the upload. Never full on both or never half on both just one or the other. I've seen another thread on Overclockers forum with someone with the same issue. I would also see slight issues streaming videos on sites such as youtube where it appears the video is in a low frame rate. Playing call of duty on the PS3 would also be laggy I guess as playing away it would very slightly freeze then everything speed up so everyone was super speed then return to normal.

The modem side was solid and had no fluctuations. Here is some stats for around 8 days of uptime. All taken from DSL stats but don't ask me what half of it means  lol:1

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adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26040 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80441 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        7.5             9.7
Attn(dB):        17.5            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.6            7.5

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              -6
B:              174             97
M:              1               1
T:              0               0
R:              8               8
S:              0.0752          0.1554
L:              19456           5457
D:              16              8
I:              183             106
N:              183             106
Q:              16              8
V:              3               2
RxQueue:                42              39
TxQueue:                14              13
G.INP Framing:          18              18
G.INP lookback:         14              13
RRC bits:               24              24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           154             58
B:              0               0
M:              2               2
T:              2               2
R:              16              16
S:              6.4000          16.0000
L:              40              16
D:              3               1
I:              32              32
N:              32              32
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               0
OHFErr:         2               13
RS:             2515510368              2428593
RSCorr:         554115          61355
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            43355392                533362
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             433553307               2301221
RSCorr:         2129            299
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         388043          5110
rtx_c:          19178           17972
rtx_uc:         2               73044

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         456             84
minEFTR:        74006           19997
errFreeBits:    785859680               1521542996

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    317187817               0
Data Cells:     325251717               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            31              31
AS:             696400

                        Bearer 0
INP:            49.00           47.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            0.00
OR:             0.01            0.01
AgR:            74132.27        20102.08

                        Bearer 1
INP:            4.50            4.00
INPRein:        4.50            4.00
delay:          3               0
PER:            16.06           16.06
OR:             79.68           31.87
AgR:            79.68   31.87

Bitswap:        85324/85329             9058/9063

Total time = 8 days 1 hours 27 min 11 sec
FEC:            554115          61355
CRC:            2               13
ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            31              31
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 11 sec
FEC:            65              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            84              16
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 1 hours 27 min 11 sec
FEC:            1515            92
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            62119           2103
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 8 days 1 hours 26 min 39 sec
FEC:            554115          61355
CRC:            2               13
ES:             2               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
#

So there you have it, as I thought the Netgear would be more stable on the line being broadcom giving around 130 times LESS CRC errors over a longer period and also reducing the FEC errors over the same period by approx 100,000.

Due to the wireless performance being a bit poor, Netgears GUI being rather dated with lack of VDSL stats and also the Netgears VPN function not directly supporting Android and iOS, It was returned.

As the Asus can't be trusted either, I am using it through the WAN port with a HG612 connected as I needed stability for the missus whilst I'm away.

Next time home, I'm tempted to try the Fritzbox 3490 which has the same lantiq chip as the ECI modem but apparently G.INP is working on it. There is also a Thomson TG799VAC which is due out soon. I can update the thread if anyone is interested in any of this.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: snadge on 12 June 2015, 12:20:58
thanks for the update
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 12 June 2015, 13:05:41
Yes I'm interested in it thanks mate
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 12 June 2015, 13:32:27
No problem. One thing I remembered this evening, I didn't try the new setting on the Asus which was the sudden noise protection. So I'll do a weeks test with that enabled.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 16 June 2015, 23:59:07
OK, I think this will be the next one I will be trying. Can't find the Fritzbox I wanted anymore and the others look a bit pants if I'm honest.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150615005001/en/NETGEAR-Launches-Nighthawk-AC1900-WiFi-VDSLADSL-Modem#.VYCowflVhBd (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150615005001/en/NETGEAR-Launches-Nighthawk-AC1900-WiFi-VDSLADSL-Modem#.VYCowflVhBd)

It is another Netgear but it is the Nighthawk router with an inbuilt VDSL modem. Rumoured to be a broadcom chipset. This should be an outstanding device!
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 17 June 2015, 00:24:37
Hmmmm can't seem to find them now but when I bought that linksys wrt1900ac the other day I was comparing all the reviews and I remember the netgear wasn't as good as some of the other ac routers. BUT saying that they reckon the linksys had the best range and what a load of rubbish that was my Asus is much better
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 17 June 2015, 00:58:19
Strange that as one of the reviews I just read said the nighthawk broke records compared to the Linksys and Asus equivalent. I guess it all depends on the test circumstances each reviewer puts the devices through. I was happy enough with the D6400 and probably would have kept it if the throughput equalled the Asus. If this one does or comes very close, It will be kept.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 24 July 2015, 17:56:20
So what did u get mate
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 24 July 2015, 18:13:44
Well I have been playing around with the Asus and its ESNP settings. I lost around 8Mb Sync and only managed to get some back by setting the Rx adjustment to high performance. This however created more errors.

So.... I bought a Netgear D7000.

I've already gained back my speed lost through the Asus DSL-AC68U. It had my line profile slowly edging down since the beginning of the month 74Mb to 68Mb to 67Mb now 66Mb. The SNR on the Asus was all over the place and that was with all the ESNP settings on along side the firmware apparently optimised for broadcom exchanges.

Instantly back up to my 74Mb profile with the Netgear, pings have dropped but only by a ms or two and the SNR is solid again.

I've been carrying out various speed tests as this is where the D6400 let me down. I'm pretty pleased with this now as even out in my garage (Out the house and down the drive I'm getting full speeds on AC WiFi. 69.7Mb Down and 16.1Mb up comapred to Asus 25Mb down and 18Mb up.

Not sure if something is amiss with the upload attainable as I seemed to have lost a chunk. Not sure if this is down to G.INP being removed from the Upload side or not. I'll maybe try a reboot tomorrow.

So far so good and looks like I'll be selling the Asus. It really does not like my line. I loved the GUI of the Asus though.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: Thomasjc1 on 26 July 2015, 08:09:38
If you sell the Asus how much are you selling it for
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 27 July 2015, 12:32:35
Not sure yet mate. Probably just whatever the going rate is on fleabay. Maybe around 120 give or take.
Title: Re: VDSL Modem Routers
Post by: michty_me on 28 July 2015, 12:53:16
A little update on the D7000:

Initially I thought there may have been a problem as my max attainable was lower and SNR dipped to around 5.3dB which I hadn't seen before.

It turns out that my interleaving depth had halfed from 16 to 8 resulting in the modem showing a slightly lower max attainable but it still held my higher sync rate.

My INP level has also ever so slightly dropped too and remains a heck of a lot less errors.

G.INP has always given me a very odd max attainable and at one point was showing 89Mb down but my profile was always 74Mb.

This is the first time my line has ever achieved such a low level of interleaving. That is with using the HG612, The ECI supplied modem, The Netgear D6400, ASUS DSL-AC68U and now this Netgear D7000 so I'm pretty happy about that. I wonder if it will even drop it to the next level??